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>> jeanine: i love to dance. mom put me in ballet classes before i could barely walk. i tapped my way in and out of more recitals for years, that stuff shuffle, ball change. but there is one woman who can really dance. she can do a two step better than anyone. that woman, hillary clinton. hello and welcome to "justice with judge jeanine." i'm judge jeanine pirro. four and-a-half months after benghazi, hillary clinton sets the record straight. or should i say, did the

washington side step? >> i love to tap dance, now they see me, now they don't. i love to sweep around the white steps... >> jeanine: let's start with hillary's response to that pesky question about the video protest. >> the fact is, we had four dead americans -- >> i understand -- >> was it because of a protest or guys out for a walk one night who disci decided to go kill some americans? what difference at this point does it make? what difference does it make in it makes a difference to pat smith, still waiting to find out how her son died. it would have made a huge difference to ambassador stevens, had he been warned to prepare for a an attack because of a video inciting violence in the region. it makes a difference to the lone schmuck in jail, for which you blame the murders on. >> you spoke with hillary

clinton. what did she tell you? >> she said, we are going to arrest the person that made that film and we are going to have him prosecuted. >> jeanine: if it didn't make a difference, why did you use our taxpayers' money to apologize to the arab world for the video? >> the united states government has absolutely nothing to do with this video. we absolutely reject its content and message. >> jeanine: and, by the way, you're right -- it would not have made a difference if you hadn't misled us about it in the first place. by the way, did anyone of you guys out there actually hear her answer the question about the video? >> ooh, i love to tap dance... >> jeanine: now, we know 25 to 30 people were evacuated from

benghazi. here's hillary's answer to whether or not she tried to find out from them what happened. >> i waited until after the investigation had been done because i did not want there to be anybody raising any issue that i had spoken to anyone before they conducted their investigation. >> jeanine: really? since there was no mention of an actability review board until 8 days after the massacre, you are saying for those eight days, you did not try to find out what happened at the consulate? oh, yeah, i forgot -- you didn't have to ask what happened -- you were watching it in realtime. right? >> there was no realtime -- we got the surveillance videos some weeks later. that was the first time we saw any video of the attack. >> jeanine: you got the surveillance tapes weeks later? no fedex? no carrier pigeon? and i guess sharlene lamb, your deputy assistant secretary of

state lied when she testified, quote, i could follow in realtime what was going on from the command center. the secretary of defense, the top military brass and anyone who had access to a secure phone line or computer could follow that. and what about that august 16 cable that was personally signed by ambassador stevens to you foreshadowing not only how they would die, but the very groups that would kill them, their need for more security and the suggestion that maybe the consulate should be closed? what's that? you didn't get the cable? well, this is how it works. when they say they need help, the enemy is close and they want to come home, your job is to get them that help. so here's what makes it so sad, though. you knew to believe chris stevens whether he asked for help. that's why you sent him there. >> that's why i sent chris stevens to benghazi in the first

place. nobody knew the dangers better than chris. first, during the revolution, then during the transition. a weak libyan government, marauding militias, terrorist groups-- he was your friend, working in a place where everybody got danger pay. it was the anniversary of 9/11. and you don't even look at his plea for help. >> i'm not aware of anyone within my office, within the secretary's office -- having seen the cable. >> jeanine: but, of course, you were busy. >> it turned out we had people getting over that wall in cairo, doing damage until we got them out. we had a serious threat against our embass netunis. i had to call the president of tunisia and beg him to send reinforcements, which he did. to findy save our embassy, which could have been a disaster. >> jeanine: what about where it really was a disaster? no one died in tunisia.

there was more than a threat against our consulate in benghazi. there was an ambassador and one other already dead. you had seven hours to come to their aid. but at least you were clear eyed about your mission. >> if you were clear eyed, why did your department reject the request for 16 additional security agents? if you were clear eyed, shouldn't you have known there was no real libyan government to turn to? if you were clear eyed, shouldn't you have known that al qaeda roam freely in and around benghazi? were you clear when the brits left benghazi after the attack? >> jeanine: your best pivot in the dance we call politics is why you weren't interviewed regarding the reactions of the state department. >> if they thought i was relevant or had informs that would have helped the investigation, i would have gladly discussed that with them at their request. >> jeanine: how did they know you didn't have relevant information? hell, you were the head of the department of state!

-- of the secretary of state. you were in the situation room. you met the coffin. you told the mom it was the video. you accepted responsibility. now, i have run enough grand juries to know that i don't know if you have information unless i get you in the grand jury and ask if you have information. but then, again, you appointed the investigators. okay. so you couldn't talk because of the investigation that you called for and then you didn't have to talk because of the investigators that you appointed. it's the perfect two step. >> had i been president at the time, i would have relieved you of your post. >> jeanine: but the good news, we come out of this, as you say, with lessons learned. but didn't we already learn these lessons in the 19 accountability review boards over the last 25 years? so in the end, the dance continues, all the way to 1600

pennsylvania avenue. and this northern africa is an unsettled enough, libya's neighbor, egypt is receiving f-16 fighter jets from the obama administration. a total of 20 f-16sand 200 abrams tanks will be given to egypt this year. but why wasn't this deal scrapped after egypt a current president, muhammad morsi made comments like this? >> you americans, the government, are buying hatred by the people here, by the american people taxpayers' money. you are buying hatred because of the hatred of your leaders. >> jeanine: joining me now, fox news national security analyst and fox news military analyst. all right, guys. last year, we gave egypt $1.6 bill whereon in aid. i believe a billion dollars of their debt was forgiven to bolster their so-called transition to democracy.

colonel hunt, why are we giving them f-16s? who are they fighting now that we need to give them these sophisticated fighter jets? >> foreign military sales is a complicated issue. the problem is, we shouldn't be giving anything to egypt right now. the head of the government is a former member -- probably still is a member of the muslim brotherhood. meaning that asif ali zardari was a member. it's a fererrist organization. we should at least delay the sale-- it's not even a sale! we are giving it to them! we are giving it to them! we are paying lockheed to make the f-16s. but egypt, as i understand thas only one stated enemy in the region. and that is israel. -- >> well, no, not exactly. >> jeanine: who do they have? >> it's ambiguous. they never used to have israel as an enemy. when i worked for henry kissinger in the 70s, he

crafted a deal with egypt to say we will give you military and economic assistance, but we want a peace agreement between and you israel. and that worked and that has kept the peace 40 years. the difference news now is we are giving the stuff, but they are talking about abroigating the agreement. >> jeanine: they threw mubarak under the bus. morsi didn't say -- >> no, in fact, just the opposite. he said, we ought to rethink it. he has now called obama a liar, he is talking about israel and jews as being pigs. he is talking a very different game. the initial deal woo we had with them -- here's the goodies, we want something in return. we are not getting the something in return. >> jeanine: the f-16s, these are sophisticated fighter jets. who teaches these guys how to fly this stuff? >> we do. $17 million for the plane-- $17 million per plane. >> and $30 million because of

maintenance and weapons and training. we do the training. we have the largest exporter of weapons in the world. we have to use it with influence, as my friend has said. it was designed that way. it is not being followed that way. this government is unstable. and again, being run by a terrorist organization that i equate and the intel community equates to hamas and hezbollah. the muslim brotherhood are bad guys. we should not be giving them the best tank and jets in the world. >> jeanine: when one of these jets has a problem, do we send in our guys to take care of it? >> we train the guys. >> jeanine: we train them to take care of it. >> or we'll do it. >> jeanine: isn't there an irony here? we are talking about banning assault rifles -- >> absolutely! >> jeanine: we want to give the muslim brotherhood, by the way, his own people rejected his claim to a dictatorship, after morsi came in. we don't want to give americans weapons -- >> we say, we don't want to give dangerous weapons to unstable people. but what we are talking about is

giving very dangerous weapons to an unstable country, which has riots on the streets and can't feed itself, a country which is in economic chaos and headed down the road of political chaos? if there would be another benghazi -- god forbid -- could we rely on egypt to send an f-16 to help our guys next door. >> no. we wouldn't dare ask them. that's the problem with the program. we have to get more back from this. >> jeanine: isn't it about oil? is it about the suez? >> no, no, no, i don't think so. >> egypt doesn't have the oil -- we want to make sure-- the argument is, if you don't give it to egypt, they are going to turn on us and take the whole middle-east with them. >> jeanine: go ahead, colonel. >> this is about stupidity. this is awful. >> jeanine: or worse. i'm more sinister than you. k.t. mcfarland and colonel hunt thank you. should we be sending f-16s to

egypt? vote on facebook or twitter. we may read your comment later in the show. coming up, democrats take aim at gun owners. but does the proposed assault weapon ban they are trying to pass have a shot? later, country music star mindy mccready is in the center of a homicide investigation. was her boyfriend's death really a suicide?

>> jeanine: this week, democrats led by senator dianne feinstein introduced a bill to prohibit the sale of 157 types of assault rifles and high-cast ammunition magazines. the bill was immediately condemned by the nra as an assault on the second amendment of the constitution. with me is nra board member,

carl rowen jr. from washington, d.c. and fox news contributor and former pollster for president carter, pat caddell. you have been with the fbi, you have been a u.s. marshal and a police chief. have you both state, local, federal law enforcement background, why you are against this proposed ban on assault rifles? >> well, judge, first, thank you for having me on tonight. i am here because this is really a horrible bill because it does nothing to address the issue of denying access to firearms by dangerously mentally ill people, which is the issue of the day. instead, it's just an aggressive action by the usual anti-gun activist who is are attempting to drive a stake through the second amendment rights of all americans by... creating a ban on some of the most popular firearms in america, creating new...

civil liability traps-- carl, let me ask you this. i used to sign pistol permits when i thought they were appropriate for people who did all the background check and the fingerprints. how do we find out if someone is mentally capacitated, going forward? how do we know that? is there a system that says a guy is on anti-depressants or anti-psychotic medication? >> this is a perfect opportunity for intelligent people of good will to sit down and craft safely legislation to deny all firearms to certain people -- criminals and dangerously mentally ill people, rather than trying to deny certain firearms to all people, including law-abiding citizens. >> jeanine: but, of course, carl, my concern is -- my concern is that -- if you do a fingerprint check, you can find out if someone is a dangerous individual or a felon. you don't know if they are crazy. that's part of the problem.

pat caddell, does this bill have a chance of passing? >> not at all. the problem is, partly because this is an off-the-shelf, we hate guns, we are going to take them off proof, as opposed to what the country desperately wants, which is a solution on the background checks, which there are holes bigger than craters to get through and the problems of no checks at gun shows. the government of colorado, a democrat, "the wall street journal," he put a proposal -- they had the mass shooting this summer. on mental health databases and so forth, really an amazing program. wall street journal all but endorsed. no one in the democratic party will talk about it. when he said we need to do something about background checks, or they were all for it. but the problem here is, my daughter worries about my three grandchildren and security in schools. we worry about people with

mental health. we don't have a balanced program. i wouldn't have a problem with restricting certain ammunition things. but i will be darned if i am going to sit here and pretend that this agenda -- the single-issue agend apulled out by people who operate under the excuse of, oh, there is a crisis, let's whip out this latest-- take a listen to what vice-president biden said this week. >> guess what? a shotgun will keep you a lot safer, a double-barrel shotgun than an assault weapon in should be somebody's hands that doesn't know how to use. it it's harder to use an assault weapon and hit something than it is a shotgun. okay you? want to keep people away in an earthquake, buy shotgun shells. >> jeanine: even this kid's shocked. a shotgun, you make a bigger hole with a shotgun than you do with an assault rifle, with an ar-15, for example, yes? >> judge, let me make two points. 1, they are trying to invade

what i consider to be an absolute right of all americans to defend themselves in their homes. that's a decision that all americans should be able to make for themselves. >> jeanine: pat, just in closing, does that make sense to you, the shotgun, versus assault? >> the shotgun's wide scattered. look. the real thing is, most people who have guns should learn how it use them to protect themselves. but the fact of the matter is, one and not the other is ridiculous. >> jeanine: thanks for being with us. you are right. coming up, a world championship shooter and the real deal about

>> jeanine: she's one of the most accomplished competition shooters in the world. and she doesn't apologize for her second-amendment rights. joining me is world champion

shooter, jesse duff who joins us here in new york. >> thank you for having me. >> jeanine: my pleasure. how did you get involved with guns? >> my dad. >> jeanine: how old were you? >> i have memories all the way back from as long as i can remember. but i was 15 when i got started in competition shooting. >> jeanine: when did you know that you really liked it or you were good at it? did you hunt? >> i started hunting when i got involved in competition shooting. but from the first match, i knew i was hooked, and i knew that's what i wanted to do. >> jeanine: you are kind of petite. you are not what people imagine as the tough broad with a gun. [chuckles] >> jeanine: was there a part of you that said, maybe, i should do something else? >> once i startedded shooting, i knew this was what i loved. it was my passion. it is a male-dominated sport. but i didn't let that stop me. >> jeanine: a few questions in competition. when you compete -- and have you competed internationally -- do you compete based on the gun -- >> yes, ma'am. there are divisions based on the

gun you are using. open division would be with an obstacle scope and a compensator. limited division, it depends on the type of gun you have. >> jeanine: there is a movement now to try to ban assault rifles. what do you think as a woman -- forget being this champion -- this world champion that you are, do you feel you need to have an assault rifle? >> i feel that the -- first of all, i don't feel it's an assault rifle. i use a different term for it-- what do you call it? >> it's a competition rifle to me. i use it every day in competition to make a living. >> jeanine: some people call it assault weapons? >> yes, to me an assault rifle or weapon ising this something that goes fully automatic. when you pull the trigger, it will spray bullets. the ar-15 is a semi-automatic. >> jeanine: for our viewer, it will feed automatically. >> there is one shot per trigger

pull. >> jeanine: an automatic is -- >> you pull the trigger once and it will shoot until it empties? >> it is interesting that the ban includes the semi-automatic and not just automatics? >> yes. i believe it has -- if you can have one military-style feature. when you take that on and off, it's the same rifle. it doesn't -- the... the external feature, the cosmetic features, those do nothing-- okay. let's talk about this. if you have an ar-15. >> uh-huh. >> jeanine: the bullet used in it is generally a 2-2-3, that is correct? >> yes, uh-huh? >> the hole from a 2-2-3 is smaller from a hole from a glock. >> a 9 millimeter, 45, 40. that was my demonstration. >> jeanine: what is that all about? why are people so freaked out?

and why do they demonize the term. >> jeanine. >> it's called the black rifle and it's big and scary because of the cosmetic features, but like i showed in the demonstration, it has no bearing on the firing of the gun. it looks scary, but it's cosmetic. the impact is smaller than a pistol or a shotgun. and it's just-- it is not automatic. it's a semi. >> exactly. it does the same functions. >> jeanine: why do you like it. >> jeanine. >> it's small, it's compact, it's no recoil and it's easy for me to shoot. i compete for the companies that i represent. the ar-15 is something kishoot easily in competition. >> jeanine: if huto defend yourself at home, like the woman in georgia who had to hide her children and shot at the intruder, five times, what gun would you use? >> i would have a shotgun or an ar-15 or a pistol of some sort in the house with me -- at all

times? >> what do you think now about what the government's doing? should the government be able to decide the type of gun that we have? >> i don't think so. i think it's an infringement on our second amendment and the right is there for a reason. it was put there long ago. i believe that -- they shouldn't have the ability to determine what gun i have or what gun you have or how many rounds we use. >> jeanine: a ban on an ar-15, i wonder if they would ban the visual of an ar-15 in hollywood in the movies. >> good point. >> jeanine: thank you. >> thank you for having me. >> jeanine: country music star, mindy mccready's boyfriend was shot dead last week. she said it was a suicide. but was it something even more sinister? later, did a pastor kill not one but two of his wives? stay with us. launch by north

korea in december. now back to the judge.

>> jeanine: that's country music star mindy mccready singing, "a girl's gotta do what a girl's gotta do." but does that include murder? the father of her nine-month-old child was found dead. it was originally thought to be a suicide and that is now pending. mindy mccready is not a suspect. but the national enquirer is reporting that police are taking a serious second look. with me is mike walker, a columnist and senior editor for the national enquirer, which was right when they broke the story about presidential aspirant john edwards, fathering a child. what's going on with mindy

mccready's boyfriend? >> lif you look at the facts, first of all, let me just quote the sheriff, marty moss of claburn county, arkansas. he said in his quote, after you heard that david had killed himself, shot himself in the head, it was a suicide. the sheriff said, if you notice the only person who has said it was a self-inflicted gunshot wound and a suicide are mrs. mccready's spokespeople. the sheriff was making it as clear as he could that they are not finished with the investigation -- there is no suspect-- right. go ahead. there is no suspect. >> there is no suspect yet. no person of interest. but there is no question they are going ahead with a very serious investigation. here's the big tipoff, judge. there has been no funeral. the man's been dead, what? 10 days. the reason is that the body was shipped to the arkansas state criminal laboratory. why? ordinarily twould be the local medical examining -- examiner.

the local investigators made the decision to send it there because it's been quoted that it will be perhaps, weeks. they are taking this very seriously, they are looking at this crime-- one of the things i read that is that whether or not she had any gunshot residue on her hand, that test is inconclusive. but have they done tests on david wilson, the deceased? on his hands? >> we don't know that. one can only -- we can only presume that. but, no, we do not know that. you are right, we do know about her -- you know, it's true that somebody sm people don't show residue. it is not -- right. it's inconclusive -- we presume they have. we don't know. >> jeanine: i understand that there was an argument between mindy and david regarding the fact that he allegedly was having an affair. what can you tell us about ha? >> well, they had had a big fight. she had discovered that he was having an affair. or she said she discovered he was having an affair.

people that we talked to believe that that is what was happening. at any rate, they should -- they had a hiewmg, huge fight and he left. then he came back a couple of weeks later. he came back, not to reconcile, but to tell her, he was leaving her, forever. and, you know, they had another big fight. presumably, after the fight, things calmed down. and according to her testimony, she was watching tv, didn't hear a gunshot and didn't know that he had quote/unquote killed himself. there is a problem with that because i guess have you read our report that the 911 operator -- i presume the investigators after that, listening to the tape, heard the sound what have sounded like a man moaning in the background. >> jeanine: i read that. there is no suicide note. am i correct? >> there is no suicide note. the other thing that has them perterbed is the blood, the amount of wlood -- the blood and

the way the blood is situated. there is a feeling that somebody could have tried to clean blood up. >> jeanine: mike walker with the national enquirer, thanks for being with us. >> thank you, judge. >> jeanine: coming up, talk about not practicing what you preach -- a pastor convicted of killing wife number 2 will soon take the stand for the murders of wife number 1. don't forget to vote in our instapoll. should we be sending fighter jets to egypt?

>> jeanine: here to break down the mindy mccready mystery is our justice expert panel. defense attorney,former prosecutor, and former lapd homicide detective and fox news contributor and dr. michael baden. all right, guys. the woman suffers from depression. she tried to kim herself. she took her kid from her mother, who had custody of the kid and ran across the state lines. and now she says, the tv was so loud she didn't hear her husband shoot herself. how do we know if this is a suicide or a homicide, dr. baden? >> the circumstances suggest thieves she was the upset party. but at the same time, the autopsy informs that is -- information is wanted available yet, but the police know, will

determine whether or not it's a contact gunshot wound or not -- -- but they would not that right away. >> right. >> jeanine: why wouldn't they determine if a homicide or a suicide? >> they are doing a complete investigation before they make a decision on that. normally in a suicide, it gets finished very quickly. they know whether it's a contact, dominant hand, they know from the csi people, from the blood spatter, where he was and where she was -- was she away from him at the time-- she said she was away. >> but if she had some of the blood spatter on her clothing then maybe she's not telling the true. >> jeanine: gunshot residue on her hands, inconclusive. but woo do we know if it's a rifle, a handgun -- >> it doesn't make any difference. if it's a rifle or a handgun, you will get gunshot residue on the clothes, consistent with where the weapon actually releases that powder.

you are going to have it on the hands. and conversely, if his gunshot residue has other guarded places where somebody's hand was also on the gun, they were fighting over the gun, somebody staged it. toxicology, he was under the influence, he was drugged and somebody put the gun to his head-- all right, what you guys are saying is that the autopsy and the toxicologist will decide this case. then it's a question -- attorneys -- it's then a question of proving she didn't do it. bill, you are a defense attorney, how do you prove she didn't do it? >> as a defense lawyer -- >> she didn't. >> i like to rely on the presumption of innocence, burden of proof. >> jeanine: bill, meet arthur. >> talk about feeling all of that work with arthur's father in the d.a.'sa office. the point i am making, the

engine driving the train may be her background, past history. because otherwise, there is nothing to indicated it wasn't a suicide. >> jeanine: let's talk man/woman here. let's not be defense attorney, prosecutors, anything. she just had a baby, nine months old. it's not her husband, it's the baby-daddy. he shows up, he says i'm having an affair, i want a divorce. do you think there is motive there? >> i think there is motive there. i think -- that the nature of this investigation, if it was a suicide, if it was clearly a suicide, we would know about it-- why would he come loam to kill himself? >> true enough. >> it's two weeks. if there were powder burns on his hand and stippling around the injury, if there is no blood on her -- why wouldn't they say, this is obvious, at this point, we are going in the direction of a suicide, as opposed to this is inconclusive. the sheriff is i'm not saying it's a self-inflected wound. >> jeanine: only she's saying it

was a suicide. >> they are preempting the public information by actually getting people to say suicide. but just remember this, we don't know what happened in that crime scene. we don't know at the time that he was shot, how long he bled, how long it took her to call 911. >> jeanine: you can't tell that? >> yes, you can tell that? how! tell us. >> there was a certain amount of blood. that should be consistent. if she left, changed her clothes, took a shower, tried to launder the clothes, you are going to be abling to find blood there. >> jeanine: dr. baden. >> within two hours, hooey he gets stiffness in the joints and the blood-- they would know that. >> the police would know that right away. if anybody heard -- was in the house, they would have heard the gunshot. >> why would the police not say, they are satisfied it was not a suicide and there is an investigation to determine who did it-- they don't have an obligation to tell you that. >> all right. >> jeanine: we don't have to tell you anything until we go to the grand jury.

>> most agencies don't talk to the press and they don't talk to anybody outside of their homicide team. that's the best way to keep everything. >> weeing would beg to differ. prosecutorses say, wait too much i. it's not their case until they get it filed? en key come back, we are going to take a look at a story of a pastor -- love this one -- convicted of killing wife number 2. he is now accused of killing his other wife. a pastor. number 1 -- he could have more. there is one, there is two -- that's all we know will. we are still going. for the new mattress models,

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>> papa, don't preach, i'm in love with him... did. >> jeanine: on tuesday, a jury found former pastor guilty of killing his second wife with a crow bar, putting her body in a car and staging a low-speed accident to cover up the crime. he is appeal, but now a grand jury has indicted him for the 1999 death of his first wife. the preacher man maintains his innocence, saying a car crash killed wife number 2 and a fall down the stairs killed wife number 1. all right, defense attorney, is evidence that he killed wife number 2 and is now convicted of the murder of wife number 2, adz missable? will the jury know in the trial in the trial of wife number 1? >> i think so. other crimings is admissillible,

when it shows identity, common scheme of plan. the signature between the two cases, both women died of the same type of injury, blunt force trauma to the head, brain injuries, skull factures? >> the injuries are so similar that the exception comes in and the jury will hear it -- okay, you are the defense attorney. you are going to fight against this. >> i am going to fight against this. if you told me these were two car accidents, two foul-down accidentsish, i would agree. one is a car accident and someone hitting a tree, a woman may have been carrying her laundry down the steps and fell and tumbled and hurt her head. the prejudicial value of bringing in the fact that this man is already been convicted -- >> it's probative -- >> outweighs the probative value. >> jeanine: go ahead. >> but they are not different. both of the injuries that cause of death were inconsistent with the cause that was staged and they were both injuries to the

side and back of the head with an object that would use much greater force -- or allow much greater force on the skull and the head of the woman -- either woman -- so both times, it is not consistent. the problem is that wife number 2, the car accident, the determination was that she didn't die in a car accident. he killed her in the how does house and put the body in the car. so it is not two car accidents, one woman -- the first wife died from a fall down the stairs, the second wife, both died in the same basement. >> jeanine: dr. baden, let me ask you this, the car accident was in -- the fall down the stairs was 1999, right? the first wife. i mean, how could they not figure out i. you are absolutely right. picking up with what mark fuhrman has said, the pattern of injuries, hit in the head with the crow bar, multiple type times is different from falling down the stairs.

>> jeanine: how didn't they know this? >> a mistake was made. if you make a mistake in 1999, the same guy can do it again to somebody else. in the second case, with the same kind of injuries to the head that occurred in a very minor accident in which the airbags didn't go off. if you -- airbags don't go off, the car is going less than 15 miles per hour. 15 miles per hour, you don't get -- you don't get big injuries to the face, head and brain hoo he said, i'm taking my wife to the doctor because -- >> at 2:00 in the morning. >> jeanine: she didn't have a seat belt on. >> he broke her jaw first. that's how we account for that. we have to understand here, when you look at this whole situation, i like to back the play on the police as much as i can. but this is pure sloppy. if the parishioner's wife, he was having an affair with, if her husband didn't commit suicide, he would have gotten away with both of them. >> jeanine: not only did he kill

wife number 2 and he is on trial for killing wife number 1, apparently he is having an affair with the church administrative assistant, whose husband killed himself -- i wonder if that was a suicide -- in the church. he's not that good looking. i mean, come on. >> your honor, this is why all of these things that happened to wife number 2 and the guy killing himself -- they cannot come into evidence with this particular trial. something that happened in 1999, because, your honor, you want 12 jurors to brace their verdict on this set of facts, not a set of facts that topes-- why not, bill? hit it? >> that's what -- the purpose of other crime evidence. by the way, what we are all losing sight of here is that basically, you are talking about total incompetence. if in fact, the injuries to her head, wife number 2, were totally inconsistent with no property damage to the car, as the doctor pointed out, why is it that they accepted his story?

why did nobody investigate -- [overlapping dialogue] >> stature in the community. have you a law enforcement agency that is at a level where his position in the community-- it influenced them. does this remind you of drew peterson? hello, i'm a sergeant in the police department. wife number 1, 2, 3, 4. quick -- >> shows you why have you to identify these murders right away or else other people are at risk. >> jeanine: before we go, results from the justice instapoll. should we be sending fighter jets to egypt? an overwhelming number of our viewers say no way! and a couple of comments. josh tweets...

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